#3 SciTech Thread

https://htmx.org/docs/

I don't understand how is it any better than the vanilla js

<button hx-post="/clicked"
    hx-trigger="click"
    hx-target="#parent-div"
    hx-swap="outerHTML"
>
    Click Me!
</button>

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This tells htmx:

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“When a user clicks on this button, issue an HTTP POST request to ‘/clicked’ and use the content from the response to replace the element with the id parent-div in the DOM”

you can do that in few lines of JS, wtf is wrong with people

is that new JQuery?

>>1034351

remember a few months ago when you learned about tailwind? same thing here

all htmx does is make a request and replace some part of the dom, but you can do it quickly from from html instead of doing it by hand in a separate file or script tag

>>1034359

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same thing here

no this is different. tailwind was solving real problem, but htmx doesn't make sense

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make a request and replace some part of the dom, but you can do it quickly from from html instead of doing it by hand in a separate file or script tag

I can't think about any use case it may be useful at. you either do very little code in vanilla or use some proper JSX framework

give me some example of website where you would use htmx

>>1034063

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quick way to replace a part of the page from the server

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that is enough for quite a lot of dynamic stuff

people were doing that kind of stuff in vanilla JS (or with JQuery back then) decades ago and it turned to be you can't do a lot with HTML partials returned from server. it either makes website brittle or not useful at all

why is that re-iteration of luddites thinking they created something useful? people discarded that idea for a reason

I've seen that idea before btw https://alpinejs.dev/

but those devs didn't make me feel angry, I guess because they aren't arrogant and smug

they are just like

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here's our small little stuff, use it if you don't like

instead of htmx retarded devs be like

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only soyjaks use react look at them lmao

>>1034368

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use it if you like

>>1034017

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no need to shackle the entire website into some massive clusterheck like next

I was actually thinking about using next.js for my next project

>>1034386

https://bun.sh/guides/ecosystem

a lot of options tho

but v0 only works with stupid react

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29319034

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too many people think they need real-time push when NRT-polling + caching is far easier and more performant

polling

>>1034399

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First thing is HATEOAS.

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they actually invented their own buzzwords

classic

>>1034400

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The term was coined in 2000

>>1034401

re-discovered old term and started using in their hyped thing

that happens all the time too

>>1034399

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watched few minutes

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my reaction

>>1034408

https://jamesauble.com/blog/why-i-wont-be-using-htmx-yet/

>>1034362

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people discarded that idea for a reason

https://twitter.com/lawjolla/status/1754622011564036413

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I don't get the HTMX hype. We did away with HTML snippets because:

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1. Don't want thousands of micro HTML endpoints where JS can derive state.

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2. Synchronizing UI outside of the change (check a todo and then change the remaining count)

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3. Pounding the wire (I need to get my entire todo app send back to update one item?)

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4. No escape hatches when complexity runs amok.

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I've made very complex PHP + Ajax apps. I don't want to go back.

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What am I missing?

thank goodness sane people still exist

https://github.com/guilycst/go-htmx-todo-list/tree/main/internal/adapters/handlers/htmx

https://github.com/jacklinke/django-htmx-todo-list/tree/main/tasker/tasker/tasks/templates/tasks

LOOK AT THIS LMAOOOOOOOOOO

they're trying to say this is better than React?

I'm dead laughing, people can't be that stupid for real

https://frontendmasters.com/courses/

usual web dev courses but only by netflix, microsoft, stripe people because that means they're legit

couple years back there was a huge launch of masterclass dot com that had courses of various things only by american celebrities. maybe soon there will be a dev courses site with carmack, abramov, sindresorhue etc

>>1034416

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carmack, abramov, sindresorhue

don't put Carmack next to those people

>>1034412

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2. It's not - https://github.com/edezhic/prest/blob/main/examples/todo/src/main.rs full-stack Todo app in 50 LoC

the fuck is that

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prest

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26 stars

the absolute state of htmx shills

>>1034418

it's framework by the author of the tweet

https://htmx.org/essays/a-real-world-react-to-htmx-port/

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From React to htmx on a real-world SaaS product: we did it, and it’s awesome!

do I have to prove that this is bullshit too? they are obviously paid shills and spending my time

>>1034426

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33218439

they have many shills even on HN

I guess they just hate JS there so will praise whatever solution claims to be "low JS", like a cargo cult

>>1034359

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but you can do it quickly from from html instead of doing it by hand in a separate file or script tag

seriously? explain this then: https://htmx.org/examples/sortable/

they extensively use js even in their own examples...

>>1034386

>>1034393

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In the React ecosystem, Remix.run embraces a much simpler approach than Next.js.

too many options again

>>1034437

buy*

finally bought old game I wanted to play on PS pretty cheap

>>1034434

weren't you supposed to check if v0 works? no no, you should all in on vercel

>>1034452

but next.js doesn't work in bun

https://github.com/jamsinclair/ballast

install another menubar app just to keep audio balance from changing randomly

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MacOS bug where your balance may drift when volume buttons are pressed while CPU is under heavy load

import * as path from "https://deno.land/std@0.213.0/path/mod.ts";
const cwd = path.dirname(import.meta.url);
const command = new Deno.Command("program.exe", { cwd });
await command.output();
// Failed to spawn 'program.exe': No such cwd 'file:///C:/Users/dahl/puppets'

const cwd = path.dirname(import.meta.url).slice("file:///".length);

why didn't deno handle it for me

>>1034487

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why didn't deno handle it for me

to avoid extra allocation on heap

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In V8, when you perform a string slice operation using the slice method or the [start:end] syntax, it creates a new string object that is a view into the original string

no extra allocation

>>1034500

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it creates a new string object

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no extra allocation

>>1034517

don't you use chromebook?

even on Windows it's better to use WSL for development tho

>>1034777

want it now?

>>1034781

you're like a girl choosing a phone because it looks beautiful

>>1034847

same, secretly

but technical specs are still very important

I would never buy stylish magsafe battery pack because not enough capacity and lightning

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writing sql:

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look normal

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cant write dynamic query

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using query builders:

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can write dynamic query

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look increasingly weird especially when big query

nice thing cannot have

>>1034732

halfway through it

a lot of interesting food for thought

https://github.com/pocketbase/pocketbase

is it any good?

I was thinking about trying one of those nocode-backend stuff one day but dunno where to use it

the problem will all those "1-click" solutions is that there're too many of them

>>1035592

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too lazy for rust

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too smart for go

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typescript perfect fit

>>1035597

is there no choice but to let javascript rule the world

>>1035601

dunno. rust could have been a good choice for backend/system programming, but google and cpp and even zip people are too stubborn and killed language with a good design

I don't even want to think what language to write my software in, it's all so tiresome

we should just let AGI Gods manage that mess we created

>>1035602

i wanted to get into the go hype but after learning http requests and json unmarshaling it started to feel so complicated then tried one of them openapi client generators for an api i wanted to use and all i get is segfaults

maybe it really is time for javascript maybe they will welcome my dumb self

https://www.totaltypescript.com/ts-reset

this brand new technology will finally let you filter an array in typescript

i can't believe it

>>1035608

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openapi client generators for an api

try something like

https://hasura.io/docs/latest/index/

https://docs.nhost.io/product/database

https://pocketbase.io/

I was experimenting with hasura as a backend a bit but dropped that project because too much work

but the idea seems pretty smart: you edit all the database schema in UI and then just write a tiny bit of code on top

though you can maybe use django/rails/next.js with similar productivity instead but not so cool right

all of this seems outdated tbh. why can't ChatGPT agents create CRUD API for you in 5 minutes, why do we still need to manage all of it by hand. the task seems too trivial

https://templ.guide/

it looks so nice

why d oesnt rust have anything like it component based templating libs are so rare outside javascript

>>1035658

https://github.com/PizzasBear/templr

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initial commit 2 months ago

>>1035658

are you going to write API by hand?

I'm thinking about something like https://appwrite.io/

also https://gist.github.com/PARC6502/ee4db400a05e6eb6d0981bb8cd4e4c1c

>>1035661

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Auth, DBs, Functions and Storage

sounds like supabase. what these projects seem to offer is the fancy admin UI where you can alter your database schema and a react useState thingymagic that you can query db with

what i think i would want instead is some a fun ready to use frontend with pieces like buttons, graphs, blocks, navigation with nice paddings and margins that i could connect to my backend since backend is the fun part

>>1035665

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since backend is the fun part

no not the CRUD part at least

nowadays you do a lot on the client side so you would rather focus on this part and templates/communication with DB is the simplest and dumbest part

>>1035666

i mean something like https://budibase.com/

its got a buncha views and forms with nice margins so you dont need to worry about frontend too much

but its limited you cant make things live update from http or anything so not that usable

>>1035669

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its got a buncha views and forms with nice margins so you dont need to worry about frontend too much

maybe for admin pages. for normal pages you would want to make custom stuff anyway

I don't see how is it better than admin UI for database (like in supabase/appwrite solution) + generated frontend components on v0

is there anything better than v0 where you can also modify code? like Figma?

>>1035672

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including kpop

no l00d

>>1035670

maybe there could be an escape hatch for custom stuff

i just really hate that blank page or blank component when starting to write html i dont really mind copying something existing though. is there a place or model where i could generate layouts and components with prompts?

>>1035675

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is there a place or model where i could generate layouts and components with prompts?

v0?

>>1035672

I understood that reference

>>1035676

sorry i mean images of the stuff, then i could just copy that

https://civitai.com/models/2502/webui-helper

havent really thought it out tho

at the start its easiest to just write the content in html without styling

then something needs a bit of css to fit in view nicely

then its time to pull tailwind and setup auto reload

and then start adjusting everything and padding and margin font sizes, custom buttons

>>1035679

and of course text aligning

flex row and then go through align items, justify items and justify content by setting each to initial or middle or was it baseline

just go through everything and eventually the button will be aligned with the text

im way too dumb for computers

>>1035679

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images of the stuff, then i could just copy that

>>993634 ➡

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at the start its easiest to just write the content in html without styling

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then something needs a bit of css to fit in view nicely

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then its time to pull tailwind and setup auto reload

try next.js

>>1035682

it only solves auto reload it doesnt magically give me nice components that fit my dumb idea

>>1035683

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it doesnt magically give me nice components that fit my dumb idea

why? run create-next-app, then copy-paste code from draw-a-ui

ok, waited 5 days on my new account, I even used gmail.com email.

>>1031726

I was able to reply to 1 thread just fine, but on the second thread I just can't. I removed all the links and still can't, it adds it to the mod approval queue and of course on that retarded forum nobody gives a fuck about that.

so my only idea is that it doesn't like multi quote? or post length is too big? bug that's beyond being retarded...

now imagine I do 10 more tries, finally let it through the retarded filter. and 1 day dumb mod will finally check the approved queue and let them all pass. that would be fucking embarassing

>>1035756

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multi quote? or post length is too big?

or probably it doesn't like on of the words. of course it would never tell you which one

fucking hate those old retarded forums but important people still post there

ok, I've got an idea. I will post half of the post and will edit and add another half

>>1035757

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I will post half of the post and will edit and add another half

yes, this worked

I'm so fucking smarter than that dumb forum software

I hope they will never approve all my post attempts

I even posted them from different accounts, they would think I'm so evil spammer

>>1035759

I found similar issue on the forum. User posted few short posts just fine, but when he tried to create longer one (without any links, just normal formatting and one quote) he got blackholed.

so antispam reacts on length of the message? that's too retarded

>>1035759

someone responded to my post today

and now it's missing

wat

I did everything I could and it still didn't work???

>>1035987

the face of typescript

text: generated

audio: generated

video: generated

code: autocompleted

language: translated

chance for kgf: none

why even live

https://www.reddit.com/r/NoStupidQuestions/comments/bk818i/is_this_it_get_a_job_have_kids_and_then_die_and/

>>1036338

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240HZ OLED 1440p 98% DCI-P3

nice!

what are you gonna game?

>>1036338

even pesky possum doesn't have such a cool monitor

>>1036343

i'm playing dark souls 2 right now so i might continue with 3 and elden ring

also have a thing for arena shooters so the motion clarity is gonna be nice

>>1036346

>>1036688 ➡

https://www.srvrlss.io/provider/greencloud/