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#573005

>>572997

the guy who couldn't gain weight while lifting should try those

#573007

>>573005

Yeah but then he would become passive and not work out.

#573011

>>573009

in theory i think there is some good to it but it really comes down to whether they work for you or not and if they dont work and you are taking them its a terrible experience

>>573010

lmao

#573012
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>>573009

doctors prescribe Candy to patients?????

#573016
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ED? One night with Candy will fix that

#573017

>>573014

thats not true, it happens here too on top of the appointments being charged aswell

#573019

Hormones are even bigger scam.

Medical companies meme healthy people into believing they are wrong gender

and turn them into "patients" till the rest of their lives.

I wish medicine could be non profit oriented.


#573021

>>573020

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at least thats not a thing here

yet

every degeneracy from the west will come here sooner or later

#573022

>>573021

I think West will "die" in our lifetime.

>>573020

I think that legalization of gay marriages was the biggest loss for LGBT community.

Leftists will always try to push something and when there is nothing left they will turn to support insanities.

#573023

i still cant believe that people are able to go to the moon and soon to mars but we cant fucking fix monke brains with mental disorders, just how hard is it for the pharma jews to make a drug that actually works 99% of the time and doesnt give you tons of side effects?

#573025

>>573024

neither is blowing up tons of rockets until one makes it to mars, but it looks like not everyone is a jew

#573026

>>573023

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people are able to go to the moon and soon to mars but we cant fucking fix monke brains with mental disorders

because we actually know how physics work but we don't know shit about the brain

#573027

>>573025

Very few people are visionaries who want to further the progress of humanity, most people are selfish me included

#573028

>>573025

the rocket engineering went forward because people wanted to kill other people from far away without putting pilots at risk

#573029

>>573026

and this is even more stupid to me, we know shit about the galaxies and universe that we never even see, but we somehow never figured out the fucking brain

medicine is always so far behind other STEM fields its just mind blowing

>>573028

then figure out how to turn off kim jong un's brain without putting soldiers at risk

#573030

>>573029

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and this is even more stupid to me, we know shit about the galaxies and universe that we never even see, but we somehow never figured out the fucking brain

do you think it's because people don't care about the brain? it's because it's way more complicated

#573031

>>573029

the brain is the most complex thing known to mankind

#573033

>>573030

but so are galaxies and we still know so much about them despite being out of reach

#573035

>>573034

its just factual, there are tons of complex things out there that humans have figured out one way or another

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brain is smaller than galaxies so it should be easier to figure out

#573037

>>573035

yeah tons of complex things and one that is THE MOST complex and it's called a brain

#573038

>>573037

its not just the brain, medicine in general. there are so many diseases with little progress for treatment even now like cancer despite being around for decades

#573039

A lot of science is just approximations. Like when dinosaurs were alive.

Many of those guesses vary quite a bit. But were somewhat standardized for mainstream.

You cant pull shit like that with human biology.

#573040

>>573038

go to some uni and let them examine your brain

I'm sure it would be quite easy to figure out how it works

#573041

>>573039

isnt that part of the process they go through though? approximations, simulations, then real world testing/trials and if it works its pushed out there to the public

#573043

>>573041

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isnt that part of the process they go through though? approximations, simulations, then real world testing/trials and if it works its pushed out there to the public

who said no one is doing those things?

maybe in 50 years we will understand the brain, and it's not like we know LITERALLY everything about the space

we just know how to send shit to one nearby planet

#573044

>>573041

But they need to reach a viable conclusion.

You wrongly approximate extinction of dinosaurs and what will happen?

Some coworkers decades later will shit on your work.

What happen if you wrongly assume workings of the brain?

You lobotomize people.

#573045

>>573044

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What happen if you wrongly assume workings of the brain?

you churn out a lot of shitty half-solution antidepressants where you have to spin a wheel to find the right one for you if you are lucky

#573046

>>573045

Now we've circled back to the beginning. It's way more profitable to keep people in constant need of something that sort of works, than it is curing them permanently.

#573049

>>573046

yeah, i mean its entirely possible that there is a solution out there and its just not put into production because these half solutions are good enough for some people and for the others they may not work but they still bring in profits

its also entirely possible they just somehow havent figured it out 50 years later

#573050

>>573049

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its also entirely possible they just somehow havent figured it out 50 years later

Of course. Not disputing that

#573051

>>573046

short term it is more profitable to cure something because everyone will want your cure

i don't think you can hold progress at bay like this, because if someone else will eventually find the cure anyway

#573052

>>573051

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because if someone else will eventually find the cure anyway

That is why you give them a choice of joining you or you get rid of them

#573053

>>573051

unless there is an agreement between competitors to do business like that, this surprisingly happens often outside of pharma so i wouldnt be surprised if its a thing there too

#573054

>>573052

yes, let's just supress all information about a potential cure in all scientific papers

#573055

>>573054

Not all, but enough to make the most money

#573056

fuck, I missed nerd discussion

#573059

>>573040

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I'm sure it would be quite easy to figure out how it works

btfo

#573061

>>573058

it's cute pure Candy, you can only look and smile, nothing else

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>>573067

It really depends. Many directors have their own styles.

Closest thing now to watch is Kairo 2001. Also by Kurosawa.

Or maybe Hanabi if you liked the exploration of relationship.

#573073

>>573072

already seen kairo a few weeks back, that movie was very unsettling, like the dark atmosphere of it. interesting concept too

im gonna watch noroi now if i can find a damn download for it

#573074

>>573073

I have seen it recently. It is pretty good.

Very slow and atmospheric with great pay off.

#573076

>>573075

Youtube also have Occult. Shiraishi's next movie.

Check it out if you like Noroi but it also is a bit satire of the genre.

#573077

>>573076

tbh im looking for something more thriller than horror, like cure

cure was 100% thriller and it was great

#573099
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pretty cute jap

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>>573003

based

#573123

>>573029

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we know shit about the galaxies and universe

if you only knew...


do you know why why dark matter is called like that? it's a placeholder term becase we're clueless about what it is or if it even is real lol

#573124
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>>573122

I love to see the reactions of everyone

#573168

>>573123

huh, smart chingu


yeah, there're a lot of things in physics we don't know yet: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unsolved_problems_in_physics

but brain is also a big problem. nobody really knows how to build an artificial brain yet, and how does the consciousness really work, we're only scratching the surface. mostly because it's really hard to research billions of neural connections with your limited intelligence

although we're not that good at other topics such as molecular biology, we don't details of a lot of processes happened inside a life forms

#573169

>>573028

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people wanted to kill other people from far away without putting pilots at risk

you mean the nazis V-2?

soviet rocket engineers had to delivery nuclear weapon somehow, they didn't have good bombers

and americans just have to follow soviets because it's not good to let your enemy outrun you in such technology

#573170

>>573168

I'd say there are more people working on the brain compared to space, because that field pays much better than space related stuff


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nobody really knows how to build an artificial brain yet

that example is a stretch of what we can do, it's like saying "we can't even travel to Proxima Centauri and it's merely 4 light years away"; yet with both the brain and space travel people are working and making tremendous progress every year


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and how does the consciousness really work

we have a pretty good idea though, it seems like in general people is not even aware that science is very close to understand why we dream at night (brain is flushing away waste and repairing itself) but most still believe they have a meaning

#573172

>>573170

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that example is a stretch of what we can do

I don't mean we have to simulate the full thing (seems like there're not enough CPU resources for that yet), we aren't even sure we're moving into a right direction with the neural network research


for example there's GPT-3 NN where they simply put tons of computer power and collected data into a plucked-out-of-the-air NN architecture. as a result it may generate some interesting texts and solve some tasks, but sometimes it answers as a dumb shit instead, indicating it doesn't have any proper understanding of what it tries to solve


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we have a pretty good idea though, it seems like in general people is not even aware that science is very close to understand why we dream at night

I can't see how are those things are related to each other

even if we understand the purpose of the dreams, doesn't mean we can explain all the tiny processes of neuron structures involved in the work of our consciousness and where exactly it's located

#573173

>>573172

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we aren't even sure we're moving into a right direction with the neural network research

this is a false assumption, we're moving into the right direction, it's not like people are playing around and guessing to see what works and what doesn't


The point I'm making is not in the details, but there's this weird idea that space related research is so advanced compared to other fields which is completely absurd; there's even a phrase that more or less says we don't fully know what's in the deepest pits of the oceans but we know a lot about space. Maybe it's more that people accept discoveries about space more easily because it's unrelated to them, but if you tell them "a computer can copy/emulate what consciousness is" and they would not accept it.


Heck, people even accept the idea of black holes so easily, that contradicts the notion of classic physics.

#573174

>>573173

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this is a false assumption, we're moving into the right direction

how do you know? there're no proper results yet


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Maybe it's more that people accept discoveries about space more easily because it's unrelated to them

I think that's because we have rovers on mars and images of distance galaxies, but can't even have a fucking chat bot to speak with

i.e. people can see huge progress in one field and minimal progress in the other and make (proper) assumption that that second field isn't fully developed yet

#573175

>>573174

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there're no proper results yet

It's not a single purpose or individual work, the progress is done with every single discovery, as small as it is.


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but can't even have a fucking chat bot to speak with

There's a person already documenting chat bots on Reddit used to persuade people, nobody can distinguish them from real people. What this person did was to make them click on his own site, and he could track them to the same Amazon server and with instant clicks after baiting them into clicking. I'm sure 4chan has a lot of bots that are just like real people.

#573176
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I'd bully the fuck out of you nerds

t. Soojin

#573178

>>573175

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nobody can distinguish them from real people

if you were a chat bot, I would agree. but I'm sure that reddit bot posted simple short answers which didn't require to follow context during dozens of posts.

I've already mentioned GPT-3, check it out. at the first glance it may seem impressive. but eventually you'll find out a lot of weak points of that system


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I'm sure 4chan has a lot of bots that are just like real people

are you aware of the turing test history? it's easy to pass one pretending to be retarded so the person on the other line can't see the difference...

#573179

>>573178

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I'm sure that reddit bot posted simple short answers which didn't require to follow context during dozens of posts.

You're wrong, as I said nobody is able to distinguish them except for how fast they reply to you. They're able to keep a long conversation as long as they're in power, making the conversation go to wherever they're programed to. Most people fall for easy tricks like strawman or with personal attacks.


The Turing test is unrelated to this, because it involves AI capable of reaching a point of intellegence they weren't programed to.


Funny that we talk about this because we're like bots, talking about something completely unrelated to the main point (for me it was thinking space-related research is more advanced compared to others), and we won't stop until someone gives up. And nobody likes to be wrong on the internet.

#573180

>>573179

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You're wrong, as I said nobody is able to distinguish them except for how fast they reply to you

this is simply false, you're impressed by someone's review of that bot. there's no technology like that in a public yet (we're not sure what google/ms/facebook/openai might have at this point, but probably not much better than gpt-3)

but give me a link, I will check it anyway


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because it involves AI capable of reaching a point of intellegence they weren't programed to

the point is to make AI with a human-like intelligence


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Funny that we talk about this because we're like bots, talking about something completely unrelated

it's the same argument as "we post text, bots post text too, therefore we're bots"

what else would you do on imageboard except permanent offtopic discussions

even the other thread does that

#573181
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I've been mixing instrumentals with normal songs, it's fun. They're not perfect but it's interesting.


A filter for filtering the voice would be helpful too but that needs more expertise.

#573183

>>573180

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you're impressed by someone's review of that bot

He wasn't making a study of the nature of bots, but its usage. You're overestimating how people talk, Google has been training its NN for almost a decade now. This is why the meme of "normies" and NPCs exist, because from an outside perspective they're very easy to spot, and in this case to mimic. These bots are not a replacement for human interaction but they have the simple purpose to derive a conversation to a certain point.

#573185

>>573183

it's possible to emulate conversation to some point, but in private discussion you will quickly find out it's a bot, e.g. by asking that type of questions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winograd_Schema_Challenge

even if you don't want to put it to a test, that bot would be simply boring and stupid, making dumb logical mistakes all the time, and citing random shit now and then

unfortunately we can't replace regular humans with bots in our daily chat conversations yet, because they are that stupid

#573186

>>573185

This wasn't the point, the central idea was that you said "we can't create a NN similar to a human brain yet", and my counter argument was that we're close to that (close as in decades). The very central point is that scientists are making huge progress in this regard.


Stupid is not the right word, I'd say they're limited. Many people put those bots to the test but that's not what you do in real life with a person, if you just ask simple questions a bot would be able to answer very accurately.

#573187

(lemme make a new thread)