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킬라 스레드

>>823843 ➡

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마~

에?

아마 "야"?

>>823868

그것을 외에는 부산어 몰라요

>>823838

스레드 감사합니다

>>823843 ➡

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아빠~ 따라↗️오세요~↘️

네~ 빨리 왔어 ㅎㅎ

>>823870

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부산어

busan language? dialect?

>>823872

섹시 유리 보면 안 돼요

https://namu.wiki/w/커떽논쟁

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걸그룹 팬덤 사이에서 자주 발생하는 논쟁 유형 중의 하나로, 걸그룹 멤버가 '귀엽다 = '커엽다'는 주장과 '섹시하다 = 떽띠하다'는 주장, 이른바 '커파'와 '떽파'가 충돌하는 논쟁을 가리킨다.

기억이 안 와요

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'귀' = '커'가

>>823996

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기억이

이해가*

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group members collide between "cute" = "cute" and "sexy" = "dirty."

gooks have their own version of cute/sexy too

https://theqoo.net/ktalk/1801347913

커떽 = cute/sekshie

https://namu.wiki/w/야민정음

korean memes, very hard to understand, translators are very bad at this

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/야민정음

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A humorous form of speaking online, where hangul syllables are replaced by visually similar hangul syllables.

https://namu.wiki/w/야민정음#s-4.1

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귀 ↔ 커 커엽다

so 귀 = 커 makes sense

but how was 떽띠 formed?

>>824011

ahh, so ㄷ sounds a bit like ㅅ, in a baby way

감사합니다

>>824003

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나 여돌덬인데 첨 들어봐

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여돌덬

여돌 = 여자 돌 = 여자 아이돌

덬 = 더쿠? = theqoo? (forum)

여자 아이돌 더쿠 = I'm a fan of girl idols because I discuss them on theqoo?

>>824020

https://www.youtube.com/@girlgroupgeek

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여돌 더쿠

맞는 것 같아요

but why 더쿠 = geek?

>>824028

https://namu.wiki/w/더쿠

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Since it claims to be a completely anonymous site, all of the members' nicknames are marked as 'Unknown Theku'

so posters on theqoo call themselves 더쿠?

https://namu.wiki/w/더쿠/문제점

https://namu.wiki/w/GS25%20남성혐오%20논란

https://namu.wiki/w/메갈리아

>>824078

>>824078

so 덕후 is official spelling for "otaku" in Korean, but they created forum with a different spelling 더쿠 (means otaku) and then again spelled it a bit different and got "theqoo"

why couldn't they just register "otaku.kr" instead

>>824095

네 ㅋㅋ 한국인들은 이렇게 맞춤법이랑 노는 것이 아주 좋은 거 같아요

(노는 것 = 놀다 + -는 것 = playing)

>>824102

= 놀기가?

>>824108

네, 똑같아요

>>824109

왜 "는 것" 더 인기있어요?

"기"가 더 간단하는 것 같아요

https://beta.character.ai/

I think you can talk in korean there too

perfect for korean practice, no longer need to search for boring language mates in hellotalk/tandem/etc apps

now just need the same but with voice support

(you can use Google Assistent/Siri in Korean, but it's not that cool)

on the other hand, you may learn more by talking with real people on korean forums

>>824193

그거 >>730024 ➡ 도 유용해요

>>824193

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boring language mates

너무해..

>>824211

저는 hellotalk/tandem의 분들이 별러 안 좋아요

조금 재미없어요

>>824263

btw, 은서 = eunseo -> nseo -> nose?

나코 = nako -> snack?

그 4chan의 사람들이

https://gall.dcinside.com/mgallery/board/view/?id=girlsofthemonth&no=890846

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방금 확인 결과 잘있음

results of my check just now is it is going well (i checked just now and it's going well)

방금 = just now

잘있다 = to be going well (like one passive ver of 잘하다 me thinks)

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저거 희진이 밭인데 다 수확하고 새로 다시 필요한거 심었더라고 ㅋㅋㅋ

that is heejin's field but i found out it is all harvested and new necessary things were planted

저거 = that thing

밭 = field

수확 = harvest

심다 = to plant

-더라고 = learned that

>>824292

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that is heejin's field

>>824347

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명창강아지

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaminjeongeum

그거 더 나은 설명이에요

집중할 수 없어

>>824390

Zettelkästen이 배워요

>>824355

너무 어려워요. 제가 해볼게요:

>>824385

쬲은(존나 좋은) 노래

>>824511

다리 아파요?

https://ko.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISA

https://ko.wikipedia.org/wiki/아이사

>>824850

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니

반말이에요

>>824853

o shit 멍숭이 is some monke chat sticker

Bae

배이

>>824904

린크?

>>824911

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지선

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rotated

>>825035

>>825035

TIL 너무하다 ~ hazukashi

너무 너무 너무해

>>825114

아니면 "dame..."

>>825091

왜 젖은 다리를 그렇게 섹시해요?

>>825143

>>825150

4뮤즈

>>825162

욕하는 유리를

>>825212

여자 아이돌에 손으로 만지고 싶어요

>>825143

>>825162

>>825248

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[youtube-id]

무슨 스크립트를 이용해요?

>>825255

와이티디엘피 그리고 보람님

>>825262

>>825341

Break it 듣고 싶어요

>>825429

여기에 이서랑 같은 나이있나 봐요

와이푸 안 올려서 심심해요

>>825585

ㅎㅎ

아직 '그녀' 없어

>>825600

안돼애애애애

우리 상상한 제니가 이미 BF있어요

>>825611

>>825615

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그냥 친구에서 끝내야해?

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우리 애인할래

>>825643

ㅁ-뭘 보여요?

>>825654

그 여자 전혀 유명하지 않아서 PD님 그거 허락했어요

>>825661

빌리의 수현아?

어머, 저는 몰랐어요

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2022/10/ai-is-changing-scientists-understanding-of-language-learning/

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For years, many linguists have believed that learning language is impossible without a built-in grammar template. The new AI models prove otherwise. They demonstrate that the ability to produce grammatical language can be learned from linguistic experience alone.

재미있어요

>>824193

https://book.character.ai/character-book/advanced-creation/beyond-plain-text/languages

그런데 그 bot들이 조금 바보 같아요

>>825675

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주의, 중요한 정보

여기는 '이번 주의' 아니면 '주간' 쓰면 더 나은 거 같아요

>>825678

제 생각에는 언어의 목적이 생각이랑 느낌을 전하는 것인데 그 모델들은 생각이랑 느낌이 하나도 없어서 사실 언어를 몰라요

언어 = language

목적 = purpose

전하다 = convey

>>825715

짧은 치마

>>825787

https://korean.dict.naver.com/koendict/#/entry/enko/87fa8cc8377a41328a121abce146eb61

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그 모델들은 생각이랑 느낌이 하나도 없어서 사실 언어를 몰라요

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winograd_schema_challenge

힘든 주제예요

저는 한국어로 잘 못 해서 설명할 수 없을 거예요

>>825832

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https://korean.dict.naver.com/koendict/#/entry/enko/87fa8cc8377a41328a121abce146eb61

아, 그렇군요. 이해 못 해서 미안해요

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winograd_schema_challenge

신기해요

막내 -> maknae [망내]

Jewelry -> 쥬얼리 /ˈʤuː.əl.ri/

왜 maknae 대신에 mannae?

>>826263

어머

>>826264

그랑 모든 ㄱ+ㄴ 콤비 같아요 학년 -> 항년 and if you want to know "why" every explanation is always "it's easier to say"

>>826268

제 생각에는:

한국어 -> 영어 how it looks

영어 -> 한국어 how it sounds

그래서 한국 사람은 영어 단어를 발음 잘 할 수 있어요

그런데 외국 사람은 한국어 단어를 발음할 수가 없어요! 너무해

하지만 한국어에 "f", "p", "v" 없어서 영어 단어를 한국어로 너무 웃겨요

>>826271

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그런데 외국 사람은 한국어 단어를 발음할 수가 없어요!

제 생각에는 많이 외국 사람은 [망내] 발음 몰라서 ~ /maknə/ 발음해요

그런데 그거 발음이 틀려요

>>826271

아마도

하지만 라틴 어너도 콤비 많아요

n + g = ng

en-glish 대신에 english 말해야 해요

mangnae (ㅇ->ng)

클라씨 좋아요

>>826298

클라씨는 키즈 (kids) 않이에요? 형서 19살인데 다른 3사람..

채연 그리고 유빈 쪼아

>>826322

>>826389

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"p" 는 피읖(ㅍ) 똑같은데 "z" 는 없어요

아, 네

I'm curious how do they know they should pronounce e.g. IVE as "V" not "B" because it's written as 아이브

>>826301

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채연 그리고 유빈

에? 그 여자들이 클라씨 아니에요

>>826389

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바름

발음! 진짜 저는 이것을 항상 망쳐요

>>826390

그냥 아이브라고 말하는데요 ㅋㅋ

>>826403

시작에서 잘 했는데 개인 소개에 다 아이브라고 한 거 같아요 ㅋㅋ 특히 레이가 (:30) 세게 ㅂ 발음한 거 같아요

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그런데 "google translator"에 확인해서 실수 봤어요

잘 했어요 저는 spellcheck 만 사용해서 못 봤어요

>>826414

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/google-translate/aapbdbdomjkkjkaonfhkkikfgjllcleb

너무 편해요

>>826892

오늘은 어떤 아시아 여자와 하푸 키드 봤어요

그녀 조금 뚱뚱하는데 귀엽고 키드 너무 귀여웠어요

>>827218

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키드 너무 귀여웠어요

나쁜 생각은 금지해요

>>827259

에?

>>827315

사랑해...

>>827357

한국어로 >>823838

영어로 >>826508 ➡

러시아어로 >>825397 ➡

섹시 비디오 위해서 >>761583 ➡

>>827390

에?

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2014년~2015년까지 여성 연예인들, 특히 걸그룹들의 섹시 콘셉트가 굉장히 크게 유행했었다. 문제는 가수라는 기본 전제를 잊고 벗으면 돈이 된다는 마인드로 움직이는 문화산업인들이 많았다는 것. 연예계의 질적 저하를 우려한 시민들의 비판으로 당시의 과도한 섹시컨셉 열풍은 역사 속으로 사라지고 다른 참신한 조합과 조화를 이루는 적절한 컨셉이 자리를 잡게 되었다.

>>827391

걸크러시 이겼어

>>827394

섹시 콘셉트 어때요?

>>827392

문장 전체가 이해하지만 섹시 콘셉이 거리에 이사했어요

>>827456

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섹시 콘셉이 거리에 이사했어요

커버 댄스?

>>827356

ㅋㅋ

>>827423

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뽀뽀로 세계정복

제가 항복해요

>>827716

>>827778

건강미

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건강미

아마 제 3번째 케블러 와이푸야

꺄아아아아아아아아아아아아아아아아아아아아아아아아아아

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와우들

all alound the world

>>828509

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푸시업

>>828632

https://www.google.com/search?q=푸쉬업+브라&tbm=isch

>>828855

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소희의 쇼핑 방법

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how to sohee's shopping

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world goes crazy

내가 미쳤어

청말 미쳤어~

https://www.howtostudykorean.com/workbooks/

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$80 for all workbooks

>>829241

my idea is to build a giant mindmap will all core structures of the language so that you can easily learn the logic just by looking at the connections

why nobody doing it like that, it seems obvious

>>829244

yeah, but it doesn't show the 2d connection between declarative/interrogative/imperative and 해요체/하십시오체

I think you can add 반말 too

I still have troubles understanding difference between imperative 어요 vs 줘요 vs 주세요

주 = please, 주 + 시 = please and I respect you?

and what's the difference between 하세요 vs 합니다 vs 하십니다?

informat respect vs format vs formal respect?

so

시 = respect

요/ㅂ니다 = non-formal/formal (but format is some kind of respect too?)

어/줘 = order/please do

?

and most complex, what's the difference between saying please (주) and showing respect (시)

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/하십시오체

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/하소서체

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/해요체

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/하오체

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/하게체

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/해라체

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/해체

>>829248

not 전문가님 but here what I think I know

어/아요 and ㅂ니다 is level of formality, and (으)시 is a mark of respect

so if you talk to someone who demands respect you use 요 or ㅂ니다. and if you are talking about someone who demands respect you also add 으시. but if it's some lowling () or yourself forget the 으시 and just use the formal speech

주 is also unrelated to the two it's just a marking for the direction of action (주 = do x for me, 드릴 = i do x for you)

>>829258

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if you are talking about someone who demands respect

I think it can be both, e.g. when you talk to grandmother

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it's just a marking for the direction of action

yeah, I think that's right

so in theory you can even say 주십시오 when asking grandmother to do something (formal + respect + do it please)

https://www.90daykorean.com/please-in-korean/

아마도 (depending on these words not having some special high respecc versions )

할아버지 + 선생님)

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우리 선생님이 저에게 영어를 가르치실 거십니다

할아버지 + 동생이)

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제 동생이 저에게 엉어를 가르칠 거십니다

>>829267

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네 동생이

btw,

나의 = 내 [내]

너의 = 네 [내]

나의가 = 내가 [내가]

너의가 = 네가 [니가]

why no sound difference between 내 and 네?

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So, in spoken Korean, I recommend that you use 너의 or 니 to avoid misunderstanding.

아, 그렇군요

>>829275

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why no sound difference between 내 and 네?

애/에 어/오 ㅅ/ㅆ ㅊ/ㅉ etc 진짜 모르겠어요

>>829278

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어/오

너무 싫어요

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I think what’s interesting about this chart is that the 하다 column’s imperative ending is intrinisically the same as the honorific 하다 column’s imperative.

하시십시오

>>829200

오히려 우리끼리 무료로 연습합시다

>>829248

한국어로 설명 잘 못 해 줄 거 같아서 영어로 할게요

-어 주다 means one person is doing the action for the sake of another. If I'm explaining something to you or vice versa, I can say 이것을 제가 설명해 줄게요 or 그 것을 저한테 설명해 주셔서 감사합니다. If I'm reading an explanation off a book, I'd say 제가 그 것의 설명을 어떤 책에서 읽었어요. I don't say 읽어줬어요 because I read it for myself. On the other hand, if I were asking you to read me the book, then I would say 그 책을 저한테 좀 읽어 주세요 since you'd be reading it for my sake. Even if I were asking you to read something from a book just so you will know it yourself, I'd still use 읽어 주세요 because you'd be reading in part to satisfy my request and not just to acquire the knowledge yourself, so you're doing it in part for me.

시 does not directly mean you respect someone, it means the person is at a similar or higher social level than you, so you honor them. If you talk to a child in 반말, you're not being disrespectful, but if you talk to an adult stranger the same way, you end up being disrespectful exactly because you're implying that person is beneath you. In addition to that, if you do use 시 towards a child or someone else who is actually clearly beneath you, that might either come off as a joke or as mocking the person, like if you were to address some random person in English as "your highness" or similar. By the way, note that in English you/thou also worked this way, but thou ended up disappearing and being completely replaced by you, which would be equivalent to Koreans always using 시 when talking to anyone, even a child.

Also, like >>829258 says, -어 드리다 is the honorific form of -어 주다, which you use when the person being favored by the action is someone you'd also use 시 towards, so that will often be used to differentiate the subject and object in a sentence, like 알려 드렸어요 vs 알려 주셨어요.

>>829268

하십시오체로 '-ㄹ 겁니다' 고 해요. '것' 이 명사이니까 '시' 없어요.

>>829281

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하십시오체로 '-ㄹ 겁니다' 고 해요. '것' 이 명사이니까 '시' 없어요.

아 물론이죠 가르치(시)ㄹ 겁니다

>>829281

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-어 드리다 is the honorific form of -어 주다

oh no, I forgot about it

"" vs 시 vs 주 vs 주시 vs 드리 vs 드리시

also honorific forms of words like 집 vs 댁

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the person being favored by the action is someone you'd also use 시 towards, so that will often be used to differentiate the subject and object in a sentence

didn't quite understand

알려 주 = give me information

알려 드리 = please receive information well

or with 알리다 (passive) both 주 and 드리 = receive it?

passive/active is the most complex thing in Korean for me so far tbh

>>829281

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-어 드리다 is the honorific form of -어 주다, which you use when the person being favored by the action is someone you'd also use 시 towards, so that will often be used to differentiate the subject and object in a sentence, like 알려 드렸어요 vs 알려 주셨어요.

i was a bit right by mistake

>>829293

"주시" = 드리

you can't use 시 about yourself so 드리 means it's always for another person than you

>>829278

>>829279

솔직히, 저는 아/어 자주 헷갈려요 ㅋㅋ

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ㅈ/ㅊ/ㅉ...

These are quite difficult for most foreigners. ㅌㅊㅋㅍ are aspirated, so more air is expelled with the consonant, while ㅆㄸㅉㄲㅃ are not aspirated, but have a bit of a staccato (as in a slight silence before the consonant) and they increase the pitch of the following vowel. To borrow >>823843 ➡'s terminology, 빨라 is kinda like 빨↗️라↘️ while 발라 is the same pitch throughout

>>829293

What I meant is

알려 드렸어요 = I told you(honorific)

알려 주셨어요 = you(honorific) told me

You can differentiate the subject just from 주다 vs 드리다, so Koreans will usually omit it

>>829296

네, 맞았어요

>>829304

아..

신기함

>>829293

>>829304

By the way, I said object there, but the other person wouldn't be the object. The actual object would be the information being told. My bad. To expand those sentences, you'd say

제가 님한테 알려 드렸어요

님가 저한테 알려 주셨어요

>>829281

>

줄게요 I'm explaining something to you

>

읽어 주세요 read me the book

oh, thanks, I thought 주다 means both "I do it for you" and "you do it for me" but wasn't sure

can it also be used in context "he does it for her" (talking about other people)?

>

your highness

>

시 does not directly mean you respect someone

>

반말

but 시/no 시

and 어(반말체)/어요(해요체)/ㅂ니다(하십시오체)

are different concepts, no?

>>829322

>>829303

>

you can't use 시 about yourself so 드리 means it's always for another person than you

>>829304

>

알려 드렸어요 = I told you(honorific)

>

알려 주셨어요 = you(honorific) told me

>

You can differentiate the subject just from 주다 vs 드리다, so Koreans will usually omit it

so 주시다 you -> me (because can't be you because 시)

드시다 me -> you (because 드시다 always you to someone)

but 주다 you -> me OR me -> you (depending on context or explicit subjects in sentence)

thanks

>>829336

>

드시다

드리다*

>>829311

>

님가

님이 미안해요

>>829321

>

can it also be used in context "he does it for her" (talking about other people)?

네, 예를 들면

아버지가 컴퓨터 잘 못 하셔서 형이 도와 드렸어요 (my father is not good with computers, so my brother helped him)

>

but 시/no 시

>

and 어(반말체)/어요(해요체)/ㅂ니다(하십시오체)

>

are different concepts, no?

Yeah, you're right. A better example would have been a teacher talking to a student in 존댓말 without using 시. But I hope you got the general idea that 시 is more a recognition of social hierarchy and not just respect. So you're still being respectful when talking to people lower than you, your close friends or children, even though you don't use honorifics

>>829322

아 그렇군요 ㅋㅋ

>>829336

네, 맞아요

>>829386

존댓말체 = 해요체 + 하십시오체

반말체 = 해체

?

also, what's the real difference between 시 and 어요/ㅂ니다?

i.e. 하세요 more polite than 합니다 or it's something different?

>>829401

to put it all together

어요/ㅂ니다 is formality of speech depending on who you are talking with

시 is a mark of hierarchical superiority (compared to you) of someone who you are talking about

하세요 is an imperative form of 해요, e.g. telling someone to doo something. so it's less formal than합니다 but different (imperative)

합니다's imperative form would be 하십시오

>>829401

I mean if you talk with e.g. old stranger, do you need to add 시(honorific to the subject) to 요(informal polite) or better to be formal with just ㅂ니다(format polite)? or 십나다 to be both honorific and formal?

I don't understand why do they need 2 different options for politeness

>>829403

I mean 시 not in imperative form, it can be used in declarative and interrogative way too

>>829405

oh true 하세요 is just 하+시+아/어요 isn't it

>

I mean if you talk with e.g. old stranger, do you need to add 시(honorific to the subject) to 요(informal polite) or better to be formal with just ㅂ니다(format polite)? or 십나다 to be both honorific and formal?

I mean if you ask for his name you would add 시 but if you ask where something is you wouldn't? so stick to 요/ㅂ니다 but if it's something about him specifically add 시

that's how I understand it

>>829414

>

if it's something about him specifically add 시

interesting, thanks

>>829414

>

just 하+시+아/어요 isn't it

yeah, there're many cool things like that

e.g. future 저는 먹을 거예요 is actually ㄹ(determiner for future) + 것(just special noun) + 이다(to be) + 요

so you just get normal verb 먹다 and transform it into something like "it's going to be eaten"

>>829432

안녕하세요 = 안녕해요 + 시 (안녕하다 = probably be well/healthy like in other languages)

but you never say 안녕해요 it's always 안녕 or 안녕하세요 but what if the other person is at 요 level politeness but at the same level of social hierarchy

>>829449

imperative 해요 is probably too rude

안녕하다 = be peaceful

안녕해요 = I tell you to be peaceful!

>>829403

>

시 is a mark of hierarchical superiority (compared to you) of someone who you are talking about

Yes, but hierarchical equality or superiority. You'd still use honorifics with adult strangers (unless you're old and they're young adults) or colleagues who you're not close with. In those cases, they are your equals but you still honor them. People who you know are the exactly same age as you are an exception since they are your 친구들

>>829414

>>829419

Yeah, that's a good way to put it. You use 시 when the verb refers to him regardless of using 해요체 or 하십시오체.

In regards to old people specifically, I believe it's common to use 해요체 in most situations, like talking to them on the street, buying something in a store and so on. You'd always use 하십시오체 for example when offering new year greetings and things like that, which themselves are considered more formal situations.

>>829439

Yeah, understanding each part of those constructions separately can help a lot in remembering or knowing how to use them properly

>>829449

It's more of a fixed expression, so you always use 시. Like you also commonly see people using 해요체 while mixing in expressions like 감사합니다, 잘 부탁 드립니다 and so on. It's not wrong to "level up" expressions that way.

You should keep in mind too that using 존댓말 without honorifics is quite rare. When someone is close enough to drop honorifics, you usually also lower the speech level all the way to 반말. I think most of the time I've seen 해요체 without 시, it was between friends with an age gap, where the older friend uses 해체 and the younger friend 해요체. And even in cases like that the younger friend might also commonly use honorifics.

>>829432

>>829454

안녕하세요 is not imperative, by the way. It's a rethorical question like "how do you do?" in English. The 하십시오체 version is 안녕하십니까

>>829442

다트 던지기 아니어서 다행이네요 ㅋㅋㅋ

>>829457

>

understanding each part of those constructions separately can help a lot in remembering or knowing how to use them properly

it works especially well with my mind, but unfortunately most korean books are not like that they just write about similar topics in different chapters and add mention and a little comparison table and that's it

>

It's a rethorical question like

oh, right, just wanted to correct myself

"해요?" doesn't sound much worse than "하세요?"

>>829465

ㅋㅋㅋ

>>829457

>

When someone is close enough to drop honorifics, you usually also lower the speech level all the way to 반말

KGU is a lie

it teaches you just 해요체 mostly without 시, 반말 is only in the second book

but why would you use 해요체 when talking with friends...

>>829477

>

it teaches you just 해요체

and then you open some vlive and it's 반말 all the way

btw, am I right about

존댓말체 = 해요체 + 하십시오체

반말체 = 해체

it's hard to google it for some reason

>>829508

와이푸처럼 보여

>

but strange to say, only in korea we use this word as a meaning of "snobbish", "easygoing" etc.

>>829492

>>829494

맞아요. People will commonly mix 해라체 with 해체 when using 반말. You also always use 해라체 when talking to yourself or just describing things impersonally. For example, descriptions (not dialogue) in novels use 해라체

>>829494

서술체

>>829494

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/하소서체

>

서술체 refers to a way of putting things like you describe them objectively, like you have observed them and are reproducing them one after another.

>

해라체 is a style you employ when you don’t particularly need to honor your audience. Most notably it’s employed in novels and newspapers, and you’d write your journal entries in it.

so many different books, sites and videos

so many different type of explanation, with different examples

no single source contains the whole picture in a form which can be grasped by brain, therefore you have to build it by yourself

therefore you have to read multiple sources

therefore you read a lot of duplicated information

ok I understand it might be impossible to build one true learning method, also seems like you have to destruct -> rewrite -> construct information for understanding anyway

but why so few sites provide useful tables like >>829241 >>829494

imo those forms of information representation (tables and mind maps) are simply superior to long description where you can't easily follow the links between different pieces of the language

it's so much faster to understand connections by looking at table, but almost no one does it

>>829652

유나 안녕

안녕하십니까?

>>829673

후와이팅

>>829673

해체는 어, 셔:

>

네가 해

>

그분께서 하셔

해라체는 (형용사) 다 / (동사) ㄴ다, (형용사) 시다 / (동사) 신다:

>

네가 똑똑하다

>

네가 잘 한다

>

그분께서 똑똑하시다

>

그분께서 잘 하신다

근데 'ㄴ다/신다' 를 현재로만 써요. 과거로는 다 '었다' 써요:

>

네가 잘 했다

>

그분께서 잘 하셨다

>>829740

감사합니다

>>829750

서술자 = narrator

>>829752

왜 다른 이름이 있어요

그리고 >>829557

https://ratsgo.github.io/korean%20linguistics/2017/11/01/honorification/

https://blue1004.wordpress.com/2011/05/06/korean-language-and-culture-series-honorifics/

설명이 너무 많아요

>>829755

해라체 - 해라(do commands) = 소술제? (소술제 ⊂ 해라체)

모르겠어

>>829759

>

= 소술제

>

소술제 ⊂ 해라체

저는 몰랐어요....

ㅆ다, 다, (느)ㄴ다 ⊂서술체 ⊂ 해라체 ⊂ 반말

니, 자, 라 ⊂ 해라체 ⊂ 반말

어 ⊂ 해체 ⊂ 반말

?

>>829760

서술체* (미안 somehow i keep typing what i think things sound like )

was just thinking 서술체 might be a subset of 해라체 >>829750 without 해라 part

>>829833

네, 맞아오

그런데 하게체에 대해 확신이 없어요

>>829750

>>829768

사실 저는 이 스레드 전에 서술체라는 것을 본 적이 없었어요

I can't seem to find much about it either, besides learning resources repeating the same definition. I thought it might be a synonym of 하라체, but couldn't confirm it. 하라체 is what you use in quotes, which is the same as 해라체 except imperatives use -[으]라 rather than -어라, e.g. 해라 -> 하라고 했다, 하지 마라 -> 하지 말라고 했다, 먹어라 -> 먹으라고 했다.

I think you guys might be right about 서술체 being either equal to or contained in 해라체/하라체, but then most people just refer to all of them as 해라체. Namu doesn't have an article for it nor mentions it in 해라체's article, so that indicates that it might not be a widely used term. Anyway, I'll keep an eye out in case I ever see it mentioned anywhere.

>>829813

잘 했다

>

여자들이 사진을 함께 찍어봤다

아마도 '그 여자들 함께 사진을 찍어봤다' 고 하면 나을 거 같아요. (since 함께 refers to 여자들 and not 사진)

"십시다 > 세요 > ㅂ시다 > 세 > 자" 것 같아요

>>829840

>

I can't seem to find much about it either

yeah, probably KGU's weirdness, I got it from there

also, they mix 해체 and 해라체 in 반말 section, but 서술체 is different section even though it seems to be part of 해라체...

>>829842

>

와이푸랑 결혼하자 않으면

>>829891

없오

>>829840

>

아마도 '그 여자들 함께 사진을 찍어봤다' 고 하면 나을 거 같아요. (since 함께 refers to 여자들 and not 사진)

아

으누 내게 대답했어

채현 직캠

옆집 소녀 -> 옆소

>>830068

죄송..

지수 봤어

>>830266

여자는 밥을 요리해야 돼요

>>830271

>>829959

진짜요? 뭐라고 했나요?

>>830266

>

어제는 음식 사진만 찍구

= only took food pics yesterday

>>830303

>>830303

저에게 고맙다고 했어요

오래 전에 으누의 손을 부탁할게요

>>830388

>>830391

ㅋㅋㅋ 잘 될 걸 바라요

>>830393

https://asianwiki.com/Sex_Is_Zero

웃겨 영화예요

기: verb -> noun

이다: noun -> verb

what if 기 + 이다 + 기 + 이다 + 기 + ...

>>830399

달리기하지마세요

don't go running (V->N->V->N)

>>830401

달리다(V) -> 달리기(N) + 하다(V) + 지 말다(V) + 시(suffix) + 요(해요체)

>>830404

지(N) + 말다(V)

>>830404

아-아뇨

달리기하다 진짜의 단어예요 https://korean.dict.naver.com/koendict/#/entry/koen/b724728ce78e4fada081626acf5fcb1f

그리고 -지 동사를 명사로 변해요 (-기, -음/ㅁ 처럼)

>>830409

>

달리기하다

>

-지 동사를 명사로 변해요

진짜?

you mean like 지요/죠 (isn't it)?

never seen bare 지 without ending tho

"지 않다, 지 말다, 지 못하다"도 알아요

>>830414

>

"지 않다, 지 말다, 지 못하다"도 알아요

네 https://seoulstice.co/using-verbs-as-nouns-part-3-%EC%A7%80/

so 지 in 는지 isn't accidental either

어머 제 머리속에 진짜...

verb는 것 ~ verb는지

>>830409

>

달리기하다 진짜의 단어예요

네, 근데 >>830404 맞아요. 달리기는 원래 달리다+기이에요. 그리고 달리다는 원래 닫다+이(causative suffix)

https://ko.dict.naver.com/#/entry/koko/62c057ef9c5e4fa1aa14cdb319fd2eed/historyInfo

>

'리기'는 "달리다"의 의미인 '-'과 접미사 '-이-'가 결합한 '리-'에 접미사 '-기'가 결합한 것이다.

이 닫다는 'close' 아니고 '빨리 뛰어가다' 는 뜻이에요

https://ko.dict.naver.com/#/entry/koko/06f793ad856e41bda1773c6835d2786a

>>830427

달리다 = 닫다 + 이?

I've seen a lot of cases like that, when there're two verbs, x다 and x리다, one is usually active and another is passive

another case is x다 and x히다 (if I remember correctly)

but I haven't looked into much yet, just noticed during words learning

울림: 수정, 미주, 예인, 지수, 은비 = 5

스타쉽: 소유, 다솜, 우주소녀(거의 전체), 아이브(거의 전체) = 19

>>825143

>>830512

아이사와 결혼하면 만질 수도 있을 거예요

그런데 거기 만지면 안 돼!

뽀-뽀...

>>830897

oh, right, I also forgot about x다 and x이다

now it makes sense, it's all the same thing 이

but why is it 리/히/이? I can't see the pattern. some random/irregular rule?

>

호 causative suffix that you sometimes see as a 추

this is new to me , though I've seen 추 in the middle of the verb few times

the more you know

I'm just 2급 atm tho

>>830897

>

말다(stop doing)

why 지 말다, it could theoretically by 기 말다

or V는 것 말다

also need to understand what exactly 는 does to a verb, it's not noun, but something in between

>>830897

>>-어 보실까요

>

The PD is not including herself, so it's "Will you give it a try?" That's why the 시 is there

isn't 시 here about using honorifics with who you are talking to

while who does the action is just from context

>>830897

>

There's also a 호 causative suffix that you sometimes see as a 추 when it attched to a verb radical with a ㅈ 받침(final consonant)

>

낮추다 = 낮다(be low) + 호 (-> 나초다 -> 낮추다) = to lower something

>

indicates that a subject either causes someone or something else to do or be something or causes a change in state of a non-volitional event

>>830903

>

but why is it 리/히/이? I can't see the pattern. some random/irregular rule?

I believe it's the same sound shift you see in compound words, e.g.

콧구멍(nostril) = 코(nose) + 구멍(hole)

It makes the consonant in the middle of the word sound as if you were pronouncing two separate words, despite it being a single one. So for example 잊히다 sounds like 이치다(unvoiced chi sound) rather than 이지다(voiced ji sound).

>

though I've seen 추 in the middle of the verb few times

Those could have a different etymology, though. I wanted to point out how 맞추다 and 맞히다 were both formed by attaching causative suffixes to 맞다, but that's not always gonna be the case.

>>830906

>

also need to understand what exactly 는 does to a verb

It makes it a noun modifier, as in a word that modifies the following noun. So it makes a descriptive verb function like an English adjective, or makes an action verb and noun function like a nominal phrase

맛이 빨갛다(the flavor is red) -> 빨간 맛(red flavor)

그 남자가 달린다(that man runs/is running) -> 그 달리는 남자(that running man)

>>830909

No, 요 establishes formality towards the listener, while 시 honors the person doing the action

제가 해 볼게요 = I'll try it = 해요체 towards the listener, not honoring the actor (me)

PD 님께서 해 보실 거야 = The PD will try it = 해체 towards the listener, honoring the actor (the PD)

>>830932

>

It makes it a noun modifier

but what exactly it is

not noun, not verb(=adjective in Korean), not adverb

because there're few special cases when you can attach something to 는 like 것 and 지 to make a noun

maybe there's something else

other forms like 는 것 같다 are derivatives from 는 것

but maybe I'm trying to put too much logic into language

though "verb는 noun" and "verb는 것" seem to be essentially the same thing

>>830934

>>830935

것 is a noun by itself, meaning thing. In regards to 지 I agree that it's a bit weird

>>830932

>>830942

Always capitalize God

한국 = single gook

>>830946

>

국 안에 강아지 있어요

안 돼...

왜 그 그룹을 좋아해요?

>>831028

어떡

하지

>>831030

V->N 시리즈

어떡하다

아, 그래

만뷰 뭐예요?

>>831034

만 (10k) 뷰 (view)

어떻다

어떻게

어떡하다

어떡해

어떠하게 하다

어떠하다

>>831039

꺄아아아아아아아아아아아아아아아아아악...

>>831038

>

어떻게

>

어떡해

전에 생각해 본 적이 없어요

>>831067

>

마음이들

>

villagers

>>831069

마음 + 이/가 = 마음이 ?

그런데 "마음들이" 써야 해요

>>831043

말 = speech

말다 = stop

는 말다 = ???

>>831096

>

말이야 = 말이다

네, 맞아용

그런데, "는 말다" 이해가 안 와요

>>831100

people do it manually instead of writing a bot

>>831103

김가람처럼이에요...

>>831101

혹시

https://www.howtostudykorean.com/unit-3-intermediate-korean-grammar/unit-3-lessons-51-58/lesson-52/#521

>>831115

그렇지 않으면 여기에 몇 보기 있어요

https://www.howtostudykorean.com/unit-6/lessons-142-150/lesson-145/#1

>>831115

말다 != 말하다

howtostudykorean is so long, yet seems useful. I don't know whether I should read it or not

>>831121

>

~란 is an abbreviation of ~라고 하는 or ~라고 한

>>831122

>

말다 != 말하다

아

'는 말다' 있어요?

>>831135

don't think so

"지 말다", "고 말다" 있어요

>>831113

아 예

사라 없어요

살아있는 가람 있어요

>>831149

더 가람의 직캠을 보고 싶어요

>>831190

커떽

떽떽

슬픈

>>831199

붕당정치 = factional politics

동인 서인 = east west (or eastern western?)

근본이다 = to be the root, the source, basic

남인 북인 = south north

떽띠 하더라도 허락은 받고 = even if 떽띠 get permission

된것이지 = it's done innit (cool word )

대북 소북 = great north small north (?)

뭐가 미안해 = why be sorry

떽띠 하다고만 해서 미안 = sorry i only said 떽띠

예송논쟁 = some sorta historic argument happening signifying argument/conflict between factions

소론 노론 = some historic fams or something

커도 완전 커는 아닌데 = cute but not totally cute

완전한 커지 = totally cute

그 외는 = other than that/otherwise

사문난적 = some sorta historic word for heckling people who reinterpreted confucianism beyond somehistoricguy's ideas

so

완전한 커지 그 외는 사문난적 = [she is] totally cute otherwise you're 사문난적

or maybe

she totally cute other theories are 사문난적

사도세자 = prince sado (some fun reference here maybe)

고장도 나네? = oh it's broken

고장 났을수도 있지 = can even be broken innit = maybe broken innit

평론 = critique, review

탕평론 dunno

커떽이 뭐가 중요해 유리가 커면 커고 떽이면 떽이지

cute떽띠 is not important if yuri is cute she cute if 떽띠 then 떽띠

실학 = some other(?) confucianism branch

all in all looks like a probably interesting interpretation of the 커떽 argument >>831210 but you would need to know some history

동인/서인/남인/북인 seems to be related to Korean dynasties/history periods

might look into it later

https://namu.wiki/w/서인

https://namu.wiki/w/남인

https://namu.wiki/w/동인

https://namu.wiki/w/북인

>>831312

ah 인 as in fella so 서인 = westerner etc

>>831313

네, 한국인 = 한국 사람

>

Dirty Smaller Northerners

>>831317

마피아...

>>831318

>

모닝 마피아 노래 2.0

안돼애애애

>>831316

>

떽떽 담비 좋아요

>

Mentioning a Korean name followed by -아, -야, -이

>

name + 이 + particle

감사합니다

>>831451

이거 무슨 콘셉이에요?

>>831452

경찰님, 저는 진짜 모르겠어요

그렇게 비디오를 안 봐요

>>831452

건전한 야동

앞서 한동철 국장은 ‘하이컷’과의 인터뷰에서 <프로듀스 101>을 ‘남자판’ 제작에 관란 질문을 받고 “<프로듀서101>을 ‘여자판’으로 먼저 한 건, 남자들에게 건전한 야동을 만들어줘야 한다는 생각에서다. 출연자들을 보면 내 동생 같고 조카 같아도 귀엽지 않나. 그런 류의 야동을 만들어주고 싶었다”고 말했다.

>>831476

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cho_Seung-hee

그 여자 제일 예뻐서 다이아에 다시 데뷔했어요

>>831455

건전한

sound, healthy, wholesome

건전한 키스 해 주세요

>>831543

강아지...

>

One other key element in using your time efficiently is not skipping a day. Don't do nothing for 3 days and then 4 hours the next day, this is way, way less effective. Like, multiple times less effective. Would you rather spend 1 hour every day for 4 days or spend 10 hours in 1 day and don’t do anything for the remaining 3 days?

저는 그렇게 못 해요

>>831590

>>831596

https://www.reddit.com/r/Korean/comments/9qqban/how_i_got_from_zero_to_fluency_and_topik_6_in/

>>831623

>

이 스래드 너무 좋아요

저도 좋아요

여기 한국어를 연습하기 너무 편해요

in the end, motivation is the most important thing, so it's better to put 5% of your mental capabilities into topic but for a long time than 90% and burn out in few months

왜 우리 뇌가 그렇게 바보처럼이에요

>>831716

내가 밖에 가야 해

>>831722

어디에?

>>831738

어떤 키드이에요?

>>831739

포기하기는 끝없는 회복인 거 같아요 ㅋㅋㅋ

근데 짧은 신간 동안 달리면 물론 전력 질주가 나아요. 인정해요

>>831756

사진에서 누구냐고요? 드림노트의 라라예요

드림노트 애들이 참 예뻐요

>>831788

>

그 노래를 좋아해요

저도요

>

그 직캠

떽띠 반바지

근데 라라의 머리가 웃기네요 ㅋㅋ

>>831796

예뻐요

>>831819

>

떽띠 반바지

네

샤오의 키스해 주세요

샤오 주세요

한국

중국

태국

미국

영국

일본

>>832393

지한의 이 앞아요?

>>832393

저도 레이나 씨가 좋아요

너무 귀여운 여자예요.

>>832393

>

The characters 日本 mean "sun origin"

>>832448

레이야, 내가...

>>832393

https://namu.wiki/w/日

https://namu.wiki/w/本

진짜요

한자 알아요?

>>832394

ㅋㅋㅋ 아니오 그냥 정숙해요 (chaste)

>>832449

60 개만 알아요. 사실 더 많이 공부해야 돼요

>>832451

좀 어려운데 재미있을 수도 있어요

>>832453

>

60 개만 알아요

똑똑한 친구

>>832454

아니오 너무 적잖아요. 수백 개 더 배우고 싶어요

>>832521

인형

윈터 사진?