3번째 한글 스레드

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The bare Sino-Korean morphemes 남 (男, nam, “male”) and 여 (女, yeo, “female”) ... are commonly written in hanja even when the rest of the text is in pure Hangul script

imagine now knowing hanja but restroom is labeled with 男/女 and you don't know which one is which

>>837775

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따라가요

안 돼...

>>837775

왜 그 루다 씨가 그렇게 슬퍼요

루다하고 같이 화장실에 가요

실쭉한 루다

https://namu.wiki/w/의태어

>>837828

실쭉하다 (X)

https://namu.wiki/w/흥칫뿡

https://mlbpark.donga.com/mp/b.php?p=151&b=bullpen&id=202104110053528892

"삐침, 삐치다" 더 알맞은 것 같아요

그리고 "입을 삐죽 내밀다" "삐죽"

https://www.fmkorea.com/3900680959 "입술삐죽 우주소녀 루다"

그리고 "볼을 불룩하게 부풀리다"

그리고 "토라진 모습"

https://joyfultime.tistory.com/4

저는 한국어고 말하는 법을 찾는데

그 사람은 영어로 말하고 싶어요

>>838186

웃긴 안무? 몰라

>>838196

왜 여자들이 바닥에 그 동작을 해요?

>>838199

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You are my eternal soulmate

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Underline the love

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You are my eternal soulmate

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Underline the love

이해가 안 와요

>>838200

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널 보고 있으면 모든 걸 다 잊어버려 니가 나를 가득 채워

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널 안고 있으면 모든 게 완벽해 이대로 영원히 있고 싶어

>>838210

서든 어택 + ? = 서린이

어린이?

>>838207

미쳐가 미쳐가

새로운 스레드 만들어 주세요

왕비는 "거울아, 거울아, 세상에서 누가 제일 예쁘니?"하고 물어봤어요

>>838269

웃긴지 모르는데 좀 섹시해요

>>838269

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거울아 거울아 이 세상에 주가 제일 예쁘니

TIL

진짜 그 동화에 대해서 불러요!

howtostudykorean은 "라고/하고 하다" 문법이 없어요

>>838341

or maybe it's just special case for "noun라고 하다"

>>838341

N+라고/V+ㄴ다고 아니에요?

https://www.howtostudykorean.com/unit-3-intermediate-korean-grammar/unit-3-lessons-51-58/lesson-53/#534

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To me this type of sentence always made sense to me. I always imagined that the directly quoted clause was acting as a noun, and therefore would require ~라고/이라고 being attached to it (usually ~라고 because most completed sentences end in a vowel).

아, 그래

>>838349

>>838350

oops was thinking of examples with omitted 말- like in the link, the pic has an even fancier version

good explanation

>>838348

>>838351

problem with KGU is that it doesn't try to do those type of high-level reasoning about korean grammar, it just shows you grammar constructions you need to use. therefore it's harder to understand (at least for me)

though I'm not sure howtostudykorean is 100% right in his reasonings either

>>838348

the fella who says thing is topic (는) and the thing that is said is the subject ((이)라고)

>>838355

is it okay to think of 는 as the main actor pointer you use if 이/가 is used up elsewhere

(apart from the comparison 는 meme)

채원이 모자가 있어요 (X)

채원은 모자가 있어요 (O)

해라체 다 -> 다고 하다 declarative

해라체 라 -> 라고 하다 imperative

해라체 자 -> 자고 하다 propositive

해라체 니 -> 냐고 하다 interrogative

니 -> 냐 왜요

>>838360

꺄아아아아아아아아아아아아아아아아아아아아아아아아아아아아아아아아아아아아

>>838360

다시 한 번 꺄아아악~~

>>838391

테이블을 잘 만드세요

I thought I finally got 높임법, but no, it's still 5 times more complex

>>838387

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괜찮니? -> 괜찮으냐고 했어

"괜찮다"도 형용사예요

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'있다' 는 여기 형용사이지만 동사처럼 '-느냐' 붙여야 돼요

oh, it's also 있는다 in diary form, forgot about it

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떡볶이가 너무 매우냐고 했어

it's the same as with (으)면 tho,

맵다 + (으)면 -> 매우 + (으)면 -> 매우면

>>838397

seems like those are just dialects of 6 main styles, so don't need to worry too much about

just need to understand connection between 해라체, 하라체, 서술체 and quoting

하 + 어라 -> 해라 -> 해라체

하 + (으)라 -> 하라 -> 하라체

>>838397

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they mix 하라체 and 해라체 here for some reason

They consider 하라체 part of 해라체

>>838411

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"괜찮다"도 형용사예요

네. 받침 있는 동사랑 있다/없다 는 '-느냐' 붙이고 형용사는 '-으냐' 붙여요

밥 먹냐? -> 밥 먹느냐고 했어

펜 있냐? -> 펜 있느냐고 했어

괜찮냐? -> 괜찮으냐고 했어

선이 곧냐? (is the line straight?) -> 선이 곧으냐고 했어

(솔직히 규칙적인 받침 있는 형용사 찾는 게 너무 어려워요 ㅋㅋㅋ)

과거는 좀 이상하더라고요. 형용사인지 동사인지 상관 없어요. '-었느냐고' 아니면 '-었냐고' 둘 다 할 수 있는 거 같아요.

어제 그가 예뻤냐? -> 어제 그가 예뻤느냐고/예뻤냐고 했어

어제 뭐 했냐? -> 어제 뭐 했느냐고/했냐고 했어

미래는 그냥 거냐고/것이냐고 하면 돼요

내일 갈 거냐? -> 내일 갈 거냐고/것이냐고 했어

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oh, it's also 있는다 in diary form, forgot about it

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it's the same as with (으)면 tho,

맞아요

>>838434

이것도 맞아요

>>838446

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이것도 맞아요

I just realized that it's the same for all other styles - 하 + imperative ending + 체

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과거는 좀 이상하더라고요

kgu doesn't list question quotation for the past/future so I didn't look into it yet

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They consider 하라체 part of 해라체

I don't get it

why do they have both 해라체 and 하라체 but don't use 해라체's declarative form and also modified 해라체's imperative form for 하라체 and still have both of those styles and consider them almost the same thing

imo they should have 해라체's declarative = 어 (same as 해체) and rename 하라체 to something different like 서술체 and have different endings for questions/commands

instead, that mix of the lowest form of speaking and neutral diary form doesn't make any sense

https://hinative.com/questions/16120084

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우리에게 희망이 있는가? (하라체)

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우리에게 희망이 있느냐? (해레차)

also that (and same in kgu) implies they don't actually use 냐 for questions in 하라체?

but at the same time they use 자/라 from 해라체 almost unmodified?

and 라고 in quotations is from 하라체, but 냐고 is from 해라체? or 냐 is 하라체 too?

I can't get it

https://namu.wiki/w/해라체

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의문법에는 ‘하냐?’와 ‘하니?’ 두 가지가 있는데, ‘하니?’가 좀 더 부드럽고 친근하게 들린다. 동사의 의문법 종결어미는 '-느냐'이지만, 현재는 '-냐'를 더 많이 사용하는 추세다(예: 어디 가냐?). 형용사의 의문법 종결어미는 '-(으)냐'이지만, '-냐'도 쓰인다(예 이거 뭐 같냐?).

https://korean.stackexchange.com/questions/2207/what-is-the-difference-in-speaking-between-the-question-endings-나-으-느냐-and

https://korean.stackexchange.com/questions/7166/the-verb-affix-오리

seems like there's small difference between 니, 냐, 느냐 but it's not that important

>>838453

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why do they have both 해라체 and 하라체 but don't use 해라체's declarative form and also modified 해라체's imperative form for 하라체 and still have both of those styles and consider them almost the same thing

I couldn't understand this question. They're listing a ton of endings which they consider to be part of 해라체, and that includes the 하라체 ones.

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imo they should have 해라체's declarative = 어 (same as 해체) and rename 하라체 to something different like 서술체 and have different endings for questions/commands

But -아/어/여 isn't 해라체, it's 해체.

비가 온다 = 해라체

비가 와 = 해체

I'm not sure what part of the page you were looking at, but these are the declarative endings they list:

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-(ㄴ/는)다, -(ㄴ/는)단다, -(이)란다, -(이/었/겠)거니, -더라, -(으)리라, -(으)리로다, -(으)렷다

-(ㄴ/는)다 being the main declarative ending of 해라체

>>838477

신기해요. So -냐 is just an abbreviation of -으/느냐, but you shouldn't abbreviate it when quoting a question in the present tense.

>>838482

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They're listing a ton of endings which they consider to be part of 해라체

I mean "impolite speaking" and "diary form" are conceptually way too different things

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But -아/어/여 isn't 해라체, it's 해체.

yes, but in my head that looks simpler

anyway, they already use 는가 of 하게체 in 하라체, so not a big problem

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(ㄴ/는)다 being the main declarative ending of 해라체

yes, but they don't use it for speaking, so it's strange

>>838514

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so that joyuri and glassy can become more close

어머

cool sounding brands:

브이라이브

dum sounding brands:

유니버스 🚌

위버스 🚌

엠넷 플러스 플러스

"banger" 한국어로 어떻게 말해요

>>838565

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when making exclamations

I meant in conversations

btw,

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I asked a Korean grammar teacher about this. She said that both would be correct, even though I showed her that the correct usage for a verb is ~느냐고. I asked her if a student uses ~냐고 (without ~느) on her Korean language exam, would she mark it as incorrect. She said “No, because that’s the way we use it all the time.”

seems like that 느 is completely optional, so it's easier just to use 냐고

>>838571

Good to know

>>838565

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talking to yourself

maybe the logic behind it is that you don't deserve any respect per se, but still you don't want to humiliate yourself, so the lowest polite form becomes neutral (just no respect)

but it's still hard to wrap my head around it

e.g. wouldn't it be more logical to be polite in newspapers with 하십시오체, because you are talking to a lot of people at once

or maybe the descriptive form just doesn't count as conversation? because when you read it you essentially talking to yourself, not listen to somebody other's voice?

>>838357

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채원은

채원이는

V+지만

V+지 = V -> N

N + 만 = just

>>838446

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솔직히 규칙적인 받침 있는 형용사 찾는 게 너무 어려워요

작다

>>838695

알아 + -나? = 아나?

>>838696

"난 알아" 말했어요

= "나는 알아"

>>838698

그래도 신기해요 https://www.howtostudykorean.com/unit1/unit-1-lessons-1-8/unit-1-lesson-7/#%E3%84%B9i

>>838803

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어빠

오빠

>>838812

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-> 사

산

https://ko.hinative.com/questions/10970158 에

https://forum.wordreference.com/threads/있냐고-있느냐고.2452966/ 에에에에에

https://korean.stackexchange.com/questions/5023/present-progressive 에에에에에에에에에에에

so with determiner 있는 behaves like verb

with 있느냐고 like verb

but with 있다고 like adjective

with literal form like adjective

wtf

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Per Kimo’s explanation on how 있다 can be used either as a verb or an adjective, it is technically correct to say “- 질문하고 있는다 / - 답하고 계신다”. However this sounds extremely unusual over the choice of “- 질문하고 있다 / 답하고 계시다”

>>838678

작으냐고 했어

>>838803

날 부르면 세계의 끝까지 따라갈게

>>838854

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세계의 끝까지

발끝까지에도 따라갈게

>>838859

근데, 발끝까지에도 X -> 발끝까지도 O

난 몰라

>>838901